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Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
Topic Started: Oct 9 2009, 09:14 AM (311 Views)
Stephen
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I think they jumped the gun on this one. Once he makes a few more accomplishments, which I believe he will, he will deserve the prize. But now? Nothing has actually been accomplished. Saturday night live literally just made fun of Obama last week for getting nothing done so far. :-/
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I agree.

Obama was nominated two weeks after he took office. Nobody could have done anything much in two weeks; he sure hasn't.

If they had waited till he'd actually accomplished something, I'd be all for it. As it stands, this is a big joke.
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Indeed it seems a bit odd that doing practically nothing can win you the Nobel Peace Prize.... I should have a Nobel Peace Prize on that basis. 3 Nobel Peace Prizes...
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Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize


for what?
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Tim
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The idea is that even though he has not done much to promote peace so far, the award with encourage and pressure him into living up to it.
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I thought the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for achievement.

"To the american president, for having vaguely good intentions about something or other."

The world cheers wildly. (further proving that the world is clueless)

This is an embarassment, not an honor.

Edited by HelenaZF, Oct 9 2009, 02:14 PM.
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All we need now is for Kanye West to come on and interrupt Obama's acceptance speech. Now that would be hilarious if that would actually happen. XD

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Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and Barack Obama? Jimmy Carter was a disaster for the United States and the world, global warming has nothing to do with peace, and Obama hasn't done anything. I'd be more open to Clinton getting the prize than Obama. At least he tried to move things along between Israel and Palestine.
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I'd be more open to Clinton getting the prize than Obama. At least he tried to move things along between Israel and Palestine.


Not only that, but he's raised millions for disaster relief all over the world. I'm no Clinton fan, but I agree with you, Dennis.

...and BZ lol :D
Edited by HelenaZF, Oct 9 2009, 04:26 PM.
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Tim
Oct 9 2009, 11:47 AM
The idea is that even though he has not done much to promote peace so far, the award with encourage and pressure him into living up to it.
That's the problem. You'd think by now the human race would be intelligent enough (or at least paid enough attention) to know that putting a great deal of pressure on someone can lead to a crippling catastrophe with dire consequences if it doesn't work - which it usually doesn't. Parents tend to learn this at an early stage in their child's life. I guess the Nobel committee doohicky is made up of the parents that didn't realise this. =ermm:

I think Obama's good but he's not Nobel worthy, not yet. Heck, even Al Gore is more worthy and frankly I think he's a spoon. =-/ Getting rid of Bush certainly is an achievement for the people of America, but I think a nice big cake would've sufficed. With marzipan. ^-^

Obama's presence has done something to move towards a new chapter for international politics but he's got a long way to go, especially when it comes to domestic affairs. And I think it would be his successor, and possibly their successor's successor's successor that would eventually achieve something that's truly Nobel worthy (assuming the Bush-Cheney-McCain cultists don't get in the way). Maybe. If everything goes well. Which it won't.
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...that putting a great deal of pressure on someone can lead to a crippling catastrophe with dire consequences if it doesn't work...

In fact didn't that happen with Bush? He was a hero to many around the time of 9/11 attacks. Not because he defeated the terrorists afterward, but he was leader of the nation at a dire time and it needed him to be a hero. He was seen as a hero because of expectation and hope.

Positions can be granted based on future expectations of achievements as well as past ones, but not awards. Status doesn't equate to awards. Even the president himself was surprised by this (hopefully that's really the case). I don't have strong political views about him at the time so I'll just say I was thinking "Why?"
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I understand saying Obama doesn't deserve it, and he probably doesn't unless you look at things from Tim's perspective. But Jimmy Carter and Al Gore? Carter spent his entire post-presidency working towards peace in Israel/Palestine. His presidency was far from successful, but after that he has worked very hard for peace in the Middle East.

And Al Gore? He brought an issue of extreme international importance to light in America. Of course Global warming is an issue of peace, developing nations will be impacted greatly if nothing is done to curb climate change.
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I am completely clueless about this too. While Obama is certainly a likable character I do feel he's had more handed to him on a plate than was due. I'd love to know how they decided to nominate him and then pick him for that honour, I really would :ermm:
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HelenaZF
Oct 9 2009, 04:25 PM
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I'd be more open to Clinton getting the prize than Obama. At least he tried to move things along between Israel and Palestine.


Not only that, but he's raised millions for disaster relief all over the world. I'm no Clinton fan, but I agree with you, Dennis.

I actually said as much in another topic. Clinton definitely would be on my list for his efforts. I think Obama would have earned one anyway either during his presidency or soon after. But right now, it's just too soon. :-/
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Despite the polarized feelings about his presidency, I do feel that Jimmy Carter was a worthy selection.

I think the award was premature, but I understand the motives behind it. As an academic, this whole thing fascinates me.

Switching gears from my own comments to someone else's:
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He likened this year’s award to the one in 1971, which recognized Willy Brandt, the chancellor of West Germany, and his “Ostpolitik” policy of reconciliation with Communist Eastern Europe.

“Brandt hadn’t achieved much when he got the prize, but a process had started that ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall,” Mr. Jagland said. “The same thing is true of the prize to Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990, for launching perestroika. One can say that Barack Obama is trying to change the world, just as those two personalities changed Europe.”

Mr. Jagland, asked if the committee feared being labeled naïve for accepting a young politician’s promises at face value, shrugged and said, “Well, so?”

from http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/world/10oslo.html?hpw

I can't pretend I know the history of the award well, but I was curious as to the precedent for this type of preemptive move.
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